Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Hirsch, A., & Hirsch, D. (2010). Untamed: reactivating a missional form of discipleship. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.
More is at stake in discipleship than our own personal salvation. The gospel cannot be limited to being about my personal healing and wholeness, but rather extends in an through my salvation to the salvation of the world. 24
What is it about the holiness of Jesus that caused sinners to flick to him like a magnet ands yet managed to seriously antagonise the religious people? Why does our more churchy form of holiness seem to get it the other way around - to comfort the religious and antagonise the sinners? 45
The holiness of jc it seems is a redemptive , missional world embracing holiness that does not separate itself from the world , but rather liberates it 46
If your conception of god is radically false, then the more devout you are, the worse it will be for you. You are opening your soul to be molded by something else. You had better be an atheist. (William Temple) 58
Religion can open us to new possibilities of both good and evil. From that point on the road branches: one way leads to sanctity, humility, the other to spiritual pride, self righteousness, and persecuting zeal. There is simply no way back to the mere humdrum virtues of the unawakened soul. If the Divine does not make us better, it will make us very much worse. Of all the bad men, religious bad men are the worst. CS lewis. 60
M scott peck people of the lie. Evil is a form of pathological narcissism that imbibes people and uses things, including theology, to draw people into it's orbit 61
Three areas of focus: right feeling, right acting and right thinking
Yada - to truly know something, one cannot not merely observe it but must come into contact with it. There must be mutuality and personal involvement. We come to know ultimate reality, not by theological ideas about it, even though these are valid an necessary, but by union with it - by the establishing of a personal relationship between god and man" Leanne payne
To know god in this way our hearts must be engaged - not only source of emotions but also our will, loyalty and commitment - source of our capacity to love ( being)
(doing) true knowledge expressed in practice or action. Real test of what you know is how you live your faith
Knowing - intellectual laziness is not an option for disciples. He requires we love him with our minds. Dangerous cop out to just 'feel' god in worship and prayer it is necessary but not sufficient for fully fledged shema spirituality. Same true for simple obedience dead end of dry activism or legalism.
To be mature disciples we need to engage with knowing and loving on all three levels minds hearts and actions pp 64 ff
Shema spirituality or Jesus creed mark 12 29-31 62
James payton reminds us to look at salvation as theosis, the process of increasingly becoming 'partakers of the divine nature' 2 Peter 1:4, rather than as a once off ' get yourself out of hell free card' genesis 1 :26 eastern orthodox 199 ff
The idea of svation as theosis though not fully understood in evangelical circles was something that strongly influenced John Wesley s view of sanctification. 200
Orthodoxy emphasises the final result, the glorification by which we are made like Christ: holy, righteous, perfect in godliness, and enjoying the fullness of eternal life. And in this I believe orthodox believers have something that can better balance how we preach and teach about salvation. CS Lewis mere christianity 174 ff 201
Salvation isn't simply about changing behaviour ; it is about growing more and more I to God himself and bringing that reality to bear on all humanity 201
Incarnational discipleship practices six p's
Presence proximity powerless prevenience proclamation and passion 235
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What is it about the holiness of Jesus that caused sinners to flick to him like a magnet ands yet managed to seriously antagonise the religious people? Why does our more churchy form of holiness seem to get it the other way around - to comfort the religious and antagonise the sinners? 45
The holiness of jc it seems is a redemptive , missional world embracing holiness that does not separate itself from the world , but rather liberates it 46
If your conception of god is radically false, then the more devout you are, the worse it will be for you. You are opening your soul to be molded by something else. You had better be an atheist. (William Temple) 58
Religion can open us to new possibilities of both good and evil. From that point on the road branches: one way leads to sanctity, humility, the other to spiritual pride, self righteousness, and persecuting zeal. There is simply no way back to the mere humdrum virtues of the unawakened soul. If the Divine does not make us better, it will make us very much worse. Of all the bad men, religious bad men are the worst. CS lewis. 60
M scott peck people of the lie. Evil is a form of pathological narcissism that imbibes people and uses things, including theology, to draw people into it's orbit 61
Three areas of focus: right feeling, right acting and right thinking
Yada - to truly know something, one cannot not merely observe it but must come into contact with it. There must be mutuality and personal involvement. We come to know ultimate reality, not by theological ideas about it, even though these are valid an necessary, but by union with it - by the establishing of a personal relationship between god and man" Leanne payne
To know god in this way our hearts must be engaged - not only source of emotions but also our will, loyalty and commitment - source of our capacity to love ( being)
(doing) true knowledge expressed in practice or action. Real test of what you know is how you live your faith
Knowing - intellectual laziness is not an option for disciples. He requires we love him with our minds. Dangerous cop out to just 'feel' god in worship and prayer it is necessary but not sufficient for fully fledged shema spirituality. Same true for simple obedience dead end of dry activism or legalism.
To be mature disciples we need to engage with knowing and loving on all three levels minds hearts and actions pp 64 ff
Shema spirituality or Jesus creed mark 12 29-31 62
James payton reminds us to look at salvation as theosis, the process of increasingly becoming 'partakers of the divine nature' 2 Peter 1:4, rather than as a once off ' get yourself out of hell free card' genesis 1 :26 eastern orthodox 199 ff
The idea of svation as theosis though not fully understood in evangelical circles was something that strongly influenced John Wesley s view of sanctification. 200
Orthodoxy emphasises the final result, the glorification by which we are made like Christ: holy, righteous, perfect in godliness, and enjoying the fullness of eternal life. And in this I believe orthodox believers have something that can better balance how we preach and teach about salvation. CS Lewis mere christianity 174 ff 201
Salvation isn't simply about changing behaviour ; it is about growing more and more I to God himself and bringing that reality to bear on all humanity 201
Incarnational discipleship practices six p's
Presence proximity powerless prevenience proclamation and passion 235
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